Dem debate open thread

I actually don't think I'll be watching tonight's (final?) Clinton-Obama debate. But if you'll be watching and you want to comment on it, here's your thread.

UPDATE: You can watch the debate in its entirety here:

Comments

George Bush is a poopy head.

[MumZ]

Hilary Clinton is smarmy. "As far as I know... (what a way to couch a lie!) But, she lacks Bill's charm...actually, any charm.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Goddamn, what a boring discussion about health care.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Hillary is getting mad.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Thank God for Brian Williams causing Hillary to shut her yap.

[Condor]

Hillary just killed a guy on national tv. It was kinda weird.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

What??? I get the first question??? WHAT??? The wheels are coming off.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Killed who?

[Joe Mama]

I killed a guy with a trident.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

I just envision a tall guy (Obama) with his arm stretched out and his hand on a midget's head (Hillary) who is furiously swinging punches in the air.

[yea]

i cant believe i just saw her do that

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Don't bullshit the son of Big Russ, Hill.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Oh, Hillary. If only everyone could have it both ways.

[yea]

id hate to ever have russert question me.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Damn, Obama is great. He just knows how to answer a damn question without dancing around.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Little Big Russ nailed her!!!!!!

[yea]

"i thought al gore would be president." this is a great answer to another ROUGH question by russert.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Yeah, but did you hear the groans in the background when she said that?

[jalypso]

Does Obama have a plan??Are is he just
playing off of what Hillary is saying?She
gets the first hard question everytime!!!

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Obama does have a plan. Kill Bin Laden. Sounds like a good plan to me.

[BK]

Now I remember why I make it a point not to watch debates until there are only two folks left.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Obama is picking Hillary apart. Obama sounds Presidential and Hillary keeps trying to have it both ways (that's a hypothetical...what a cop out).

[BK]

"Tim, you ask a lot of hypotheticals." = "Damn, I don't know"

[jalypso]

Do you believe Iraq was a big bobo????Lots
of lives have been lost to republican think tank money making schemes.

ObAMA SAID mCCAIN GONNA KICK MY BUDDY

[Mad Max, Esquire]

jalypso: King of the Incoherent (yet Entertaining) Haiku

[domerdc]

yes! i was waiting for the Pakistan response by Obama.

[domerdc]

Russert don't take no shit. mean streets of the Buff.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Russert looks like he smells like Buffalo wings and Budweiser.

[BK]

That's just the Cuyahoga River.

[jalypso]

TRUTH HURTS LIKE MCCAIN WALKing ON cotton balls and EGG SHELL WHILE OBAMA HANDS HIM A
VICTORY!!!
He a REPUBLICAN INVESTMENTS

[Mad Max, Esquire]

He keeps bringing up health care. He knows it sets her off.

[jalypso]

Old bame will fade like Al gore in the presents of General Mccain.Mccain
wants Clinton to stay away from him.She
give him the shakes!!!

[Mad Max, Esquire]

No. I think it is the PTSD that gives him the shakes.

[jalypso]

Obama just complains but never get really
envoled. Its like he works for Mccain!
Well when his friend is interviewed in
prison we will find out what Obamas been
doing.

"Obama does have a plan. Kill Bin Laden. Sounds like a good plan to me."

Dead or alive?

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Obama = Your Pastor went to Lybia with Farrakan.

Hillary = You kissed Mrs. Arafat

Hmmmm.

[Tim Russert]

Mmmm. I long for Hillary's pearly white thighs.

[Condor]

I don't know what the opposite of an aphrodisiac is, but I'm pretty sure that's it.

[4-7]

REJECT AND DENOUCE. Obama has just P'wned Clinton.

[jalypso]

Bin Laden is Dead already or he being
held in Saudi Arabia OPEC by a Powerfull
World leader!!!Stop playing games

[4-7]

Wow. I am a conservative. But I am consistently awed by Obama's poise and authenticity. To see the contrast between these two candidates, observe how Obama smiled with no fear whatsoever, and even pity, for Clinton's attempt to distinguish her self as a "rejecter" of support from anti-semitic organizations instead of the insufficiently "denouncing" Obama. The Coup de Gras was when he said he would concede the point, and thus reject and denounce. This poor woman is desparately grasping at straws. Something is really wrong here. She's tough, but it's hard to believe she is so far off what her game should be.

[4-7]

Brendan, you need to be watching this. Or at least watch the replay. I have LOLd about 4 times tonight. That's like 3 more times than any past Dem debates. Usually from a Barack P'wn.

[jalypso]

Obama is not giving any new Ideas because
he is out of touch!!

[Condor]

You're the one out of touch,
since Obama's out of reach.

[kcatnd]

"The Coup de Gras was when he said he would concede the point, and thus reject and denounce."

I see this as a point for Obama, as well. I think a lot will pounce on him for it, but it's refreshing to see a politician make an intelligent and fearless concession. I haven't seen Hillary Clinton or George W. Bush do this.

[jalypso]

Obame is lame like Mccains arm!He just
does not function at all.He plays it safe
sits back on his but and never get in the
mix. fear!!"Greenhornet he invent a
work history"

[Mad Max, Esquire]

I think Obama officially won that one. Give Hillary credit for deciding to end the thing on a classy note.

[Joe Mama]

Agree. The whole reject vs denounce thing was a point for Obama. Hillary looked desperate.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Dubya doesn't know what "denounce" means.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

I do have to say that Hillary got the brunt of the negative questions, but she gave them so much to work with with those ridiculous rants over the weekend. Is she going to blame the media for that now?

[jalypso]

Obama need to do some work lazy wanna be!!!
All talk!!!

[Joe Mama]

One thing I noticed was that Hillary stared at Obama the whole time when he spoke, whereas he wouldn't look at her at all while she spoke. Maybe she wanted him to feel her eyes on him, but it had the effect of her implicitly accepting that he should be paid attention to, while he was implicitly saying that she wasn't worth paying any attention to.

[thebeef]

Keith Olberman just wondered aloud whether these debates are comparable to the Lincoln vs. Douglas!!!

Yeah. Riiiight. Debates between two candidates from the same party, who differ only in the details of national healthcare, are historically comparable to debates between two diametricaly opposed politicians who debated over the expansion of slavery.

Oh my God, someone needs to punch that smug piece of shit in the face. Now. What a fucking joke. I. Hate. Olberman.

[Joe Mama]

Olbermann is easily the stupidest pundit on television.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Joe Mama-

She has been doing that during all of the debates. I agree, I think she is giving him the stare-down, but it reminds me of the way she looks at Bill Clinton when he speaks. Maybe she was giving Bill the stare-down too.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

No. The stupidest pundit is Chris Matthews.

[4-7]

Worst person in the world.

[Joe Mama]

Let's call it a tie :-)

[Condor]

Wow. Who's the stupidest pundit on television? I'll need about 20 years to run through all the candidates.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Did anyone else think it was ironic that Hillary said, "During my public life I have always released my papers?" Helloooo! Wasn't there an investigation about this????

[jalypso]

Can any of you bet big money that Mccain is
going to win this election?I can! I know
Mccain is going to win so stop the games.
Obame is a Republican mold!!!

They are
To afraid to respond people!!!

[Mad Max, Esquire]

Maybe we should list the smartest pundits...

...chirp, chirp, chirp....

[Mad Max, Esquire]

There's Hillary's lesbian hottie. I'd be hittin' that, too.

[jalypso]

I figure that! Sorry wanna be anal list got
nothing to say but chirp leadian hottie!!

Sound like Obama!!!

[jalypso]

I figure that! Sorry wanna be anal list got
nothing to say but chirp lesbian hottie!!

Sound like Obama!!!

[Mad Max, Esquire]

"Any vote that might lead to war is hard, but I cast it with conviction."

Hillary Clinton, 2002

Yeah, she couldn't have foreseen how her vote could have led to war. What BS.

[Mad Max, Esquire]

conviction

noun
1. an unshakable belief in something without need for proof or evidence

[Condor]

She's getting her conviction all right

[Jim]

Yeah, she was so convinced she didn't even have to read the NIE beforehand!

[jalypso]

I say let the republican fix this dung field they created!! All the nations suffer
the sweet smell of kock kai!!!!

[jalypso]

Bush had all you guy suckered for war so
why criticize?Look back in your selective
memory!!!Support troops ,Iraqi freedom
mass lie W.M.D!!!remember he lied to the
world.....

[jalypso]

Bush had all you guys suckered for war so
why criticize?Look back in your selective
memory!!!Support troops ,Iraqi freedom
mass lie W.M.D!!!remember he lied to the
world.....

[Wurf]

I'm sick and tired of Obama harping on Washington politics. First, if he becomes President, then he will have to work with the politicians there. Longevity is a good thing because it provides an understanding of how things work. Second, the liberal national media gives him a pass despite him coming from Chicago, the mecca of corruption in politics.

[jalypso]

Wurf...
Amen!! Just ask his close friend in prison!!!

[Alec]

Debate strategy question:

Is it a good idea, in any way shape or form, to begin a debate by complaining that the rules aren't fair?

Whoever is advising her on this stuff needs to be fired. Now.

[Alec]

PS: This isn't necessarily a negative comment about HRC. I'm just perplexed that this could ever have been thought to be a good idea.

PPS: Um, who is this Jalypso character? Am I the only one who's not getting him/her?

Oops, late for work - must dash.

[Alasdair]

Alec - it seems to be a characteristic of female Democratic candidates for President/VP ...

Geraldine Ferraro asked what that little red blinking light was during her VP debate ...

If a candidate can't handle a simple debate with a friendly set of moderators/judges, that candidate doesn't deserve to be US President ...

[Angrier and Angrier]

I think the one who advised Hillary to complain about the rules was Hillary. Someone needs to tell Hillary she isn't running as a Republican. Attacking the "liberal media" will do her no good with the Democratic base.

[Angrier and Angrier]

Tim Russert is saying the debate was a draw. Apparently he wasn't watching the same debate I was. Obama didn't mop the floor with her, but the belaboring of the health care thing, the whining about the debate format, the "reject" and "denounce" malarkey and the bullshit about not dealing in hypotheticals add up to a loss for Hillary in my book.

[4-7]

Tim, Tim, I'm sorry but this is just too important !

Last night - best debate EVR!

I heard Michael Dorn was going to be Barack's running mate. Is this true ? What about Christopher Judge ?

(ok. Would I have said this if there wasn't a commenter named "Wurf" above ? No.).

[Angrier and Angrier]

Tim, Tim...you're being glib.