Debate open thread
By Brendan Loy
I don't know if I'll be doing much liveblogging of the Clinton-Obama debate (live now on CNN), but if you're watching, feel free to leave your comments here.
UPDATE: I thought Obama pretty clearly won that debate -- not just in the sense that Hillary didn't score a knockout punch, so Obama "wins" by default, but in the sense that he won the debate outright. Of course, I'm biased. But I thought Obama wiped the floor with Hillary during the middle part of the debate, where they were talking about the plagiarism question, the actions vs. words issue, and the general tone of the campaign, followed by the experience/judgment question. I thought that was the heart of the debate, and the part that'll be replayed and analyzed endlessly tomorrow -- and he looked great while she looked awful.
P.S. Caveat: I wasn't really paying attention to Hillary's closing statement, which everybody is saying was great.
P.P.S. You know that article I linked about how Hillary's camp was divided on whether to go negative or stay positive? Thinking about that debate and watching the highlights on CNN, it occurs to me that it seems like Hillary never really decided which course to take.
She took a couple of pretty sharp swipes at Obama (the disastrous "Xerox" comment and the reference to his supporter who couldn't name a single accomplishment), but she seemed to be attacking only reluctantly, and she didn't stay on the offensive. And then came the moment at the end where she said she was "honored" be on stage with Obama -- a man she had just gotten through basically calling a dirty rotten plagiarist who isn't ready for prime time, is all talk and no action, and has never accomplished anything. Huh? Either go negative or stay positive, but don't try to do both at once. That really doesn't work.
ANOTHER UPDATE: Transcript here. One of my favorite Obama lines was in response to his supposed focus on style over substance:
These are very specific, concrete, detailed proposals, many of them which I've been working on for years now. Senator Clinton has a fine record. So do I. And I'm happy to have a debate on the issues, but what we shouldn't be spending time doing is tearing each other down. We should be spending time lifting the country up.
This was good too, of course.



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